Britain to follow French law model to ban internet access?

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:35 am

Hey all.

Just found this really disturbing news item (link at he bottom) and am frankly disgusted with the blatant lies and idiotic assumptions that are made. What's the oppinion out there in isohunt's more enlightened community?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080212/tuk-uk-britain-internet-fa6b408_4.html

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:03 am

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain could follow France in cutting Internet access to users who repeatedly download music or films illegally.
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The government had given the music and film industries a year to come to a voluntary agreement with Internet Service Providers over how to tackle illegal file sharing, but that timeframe expired at the end of 2007.

With no sign of an agreement in place, it is due to publish its options in a strategy document in the coming weeks and a separate consultation later in the year to examine how it can cut down on piracy.

One suggestion put forward by the music industry is to adopt the French model, where warning messages are sent to those who frequently download music or films illegally.

If the messages are ignored, users can have their accounts suspended or closed altogether.

The body representing Internet Service Providers (ISPs) says they would prefer a voluntary agreement but the music industry argues it has been forced to demand legal action after rampant Internet piracy rocked its traditional revenue model.

A report in the Times on Tuesday suggested ISPs could be legally required to take action against users who accessed pirated material.

An alternative system would be based on filtering, which could block illegal files from being downloaded.

Global music sales were down around 10 percent in 2007 and the international music trade body, the IFPI group, estimates that tens of billions of illegal tracks were swapped in the year.

But John Kennedy, the head of the IFPI, said the mood was turning towards ISPs having to take more responsibility for cracking down on illegal activity.

"It is simply not acceptable for ISPs to turn a blind eye to the piracy on their networks which is at such a rate that there are 20 illegal music downloads for every legal track sold," he said in a statement.

"Record companies have licensed more than six million tracks to over 500 legal services and consumers can now legitimately get access to music online in a wide variety of ways.

"If the French and British governments take action and others follow, there will be more room for the legal market to something for nothing' deal available on the illegal networks that do not invest a penny in generating new music."

A spokeswoman for the Department of Culture, Media and Sport declined to comment on what options would feature in the strategy report.

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:03 am

It doesn't matter what the people think here in the UK - The Government will make it happen one way or another.

ISPs will soon be swapping lists of people not to have accounts. Sad

Coincidence or what ? the day I first read that news, my operating system decided to go belly up LOL Head Bang

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:20 am

It'll never work - where theres a will theres a way!

Only time I ever buy a CD or the likes is when it's on special offer for a few quid. I grudge paying £10 - £15 for something with 3 good tracks on it !
Then theres windows and all the other over priced "corporate greed" products.

If it happened would encryption still work, Or will something else be needed, renaming or compression or something ?

Twisted Evil

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:04 am

that will not happen,end of. Rolling Eyes

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:24 am

People really can't penalize us for downloading. Its so big that it'll be impossible to do it to everyone, and if it did work the internet would be sort of useless. good poll though Smile

. There will definitely be people who can bypass this somehow.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:45 am

no we already kinda do even unlimtied broadband has fare usage policy attached and people download a lot do get there connection cut during peek times i know i was like that for years first off every 1s saying it not gonna happen it may and it would be very easy for them to do it they can see how much usage each person has not hard at all and no matter how much u try and B.S i just cant think of a way to explain how i downloaded 150gb in 1 month and non was illegal can u explain that much and try make it all sound legal plus they can see all the ip's you connected to so they know its thro torrents so yes i do fully belive there will be somthing introduced

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If it happened would encryption still work, Or will something else be needed, renaming or compression or something ?

no mainly since i think they will just limit your connection or disscoect you as it you wont be able to do anything but browse with the speed limiter unless you very good at pc and can hack ur isp server which lets face it i consider my self quite good on computers i know bit c#,C++ but im no where near that level

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People really can't penalize us for downloading. Its so big that it'll be impossible to do it to everyone, and if it did work the internet would be sort of useless

internet would be useless for us because we know better things (torrents) but the average house hold doesnt at least not in uk my mate on a £3 connection a month limited to 20gb he never gone over that i sometimes go over 20gb in 1 day, most friends i have dont download torrents , if they download atall its of somthing like limewire and its just mp3 i mean who even gonna care about that no it be us who download all the time and to find us less face all they got do is search are records 1 click on there database they can see who downloads the most each month and just do a investigation wont be long before they get to number 200- 1000 in the list where i am proably, people that just download a few now and then wont have to realy worry but me i get letters from my isp all the time telling me im downloading to much lol i just file them in the waste paper bin and when they say there taken action switch isp and after 6 months they forget all about it i switch back , if they do start sharing info i wont be able to do that

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:09 am

If they take down my internet connection then i'll just have to start sending 1Tb hard drives out =]

Then people can fill them up, take what they want, and mail them back.

Never underestimate the power of a Ford Fiesta filled with hard drives doing 75Mph down a motorway!

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:15 am

PyroManiaMan wrote:

If they take down my internet connection then i'll just have to start sending 1Tb hard drives out =]

Then people can fill them up, take what they want, and mail them back.

Never underestimate the power of a Ford Fiesta filled with hard drives doing 75Mph down a motorway!

LMFAO haha good... erm... Joke Laughing

You should do that

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:41 am

Scary. Our golden age of piracy may well be coming to an end. I figured someone would come up with a way to counter it but if they just go on levels of downloads and start throttling u and/or get some tame black hats on the job then we done for.

Govt. seems quite serious aout this too but it takes a while to get non critical legislation through here in UK so we got a while yet unless our ISPs start vlountary to avoid legislation that is.....

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:06 am

This is similar to the stuff going on in Japan, the ISP is the one kicking people off there though, not the government, stuff like this will push people to start using programs like PANDO, where its like an email service but you can send messages that are 10GB large, and then there would just be forums and what not to meet people that have what you want, it would be a bigger hassle but it would work cause it wouldn't show up as file sharing or downloading but as reg. email, who knows though, they'd find a way to shut that down too. Rolling Eyes

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:23 am

Cant help feelin' like i've heard this one before!

Somehow i cant see all these ISP lined up threatening us all while holdin' a knife against their own throats. I payed plenty not only initially for my 'puter but also for my 20meg BB conn' so i can get what i want as quick as i can. I'm not one for DLin' the first crap cam movie just so i can say 'I've seen that'. To be quite honest there's not been a great deal out in the last year that i've been that desperate for.

This all boils down to the government bowin' down to the money men, the fat cats of the movie and music industries who want to basically maintain a monopoly on light and sound. If you actually look at the figures, so called illegal DLin' has hardly affected the studios income at all. Let's face it if you werent gettin' most of the stuff for nothin' you certainly wouldnt pay for it!!

About 75% of the legit buys i've made in the last 5 years have been gifts for other people, so DLin' hasnt really stopped me shellin' out for, let's face it, extortionately priced items in the first place. Also i've heard the argument about the poor artist who are loosin' out....newzflash...they have ALLWAYS lost out to the fat cats.

So i say sod them!! Let the buggers do their worst. The amount of us compared to them? We will always be one step ahead.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:28 am

From other threads I get the impression this is already being done to an extent in the states so sadly its a very real possibility. 20mg BB u lucky git, best I can get in my area is 2mg bb kinda makes me smallfry SO MAYBE ill slip through the nets.....

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:55 am

As i said,dude, i'm particular about what i DL so although i can DL plenty, i dont. I can however DL what i want quicker than i can cook the dinner!!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:52 am

LSF-Seth wrote:

It doesn't matter what the people think here in the UK - The Government will make it happen one way or another.

ISPs will soon be swapping lists of people not to have accounts. Sad

Well, then there will be loads of people stealing bandwith from their neighbours via wireless and sooner or later "everybody" will be on the list Smile