Are we destroyers of the planet????

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:09 pm

this are some of the things that are happening.it is our fault.

The tropical rainforests of Papua New Guinea – in the top ten of the world's most biodiverse hotspots – are disappearing faster than anyone realised, according to a new report.
Their study found that PNG's forests were being cleared or degraded at a rate of 1.4% per year in 2002, increasing to 1.7% per year in 2007. If clearing and degradation continues unchecked, over half of the forest that existed when PNG became independent from Australia in 1975 will have been destroyed by 2021, according to the report. The Brazilian Amazon is losing forest at the rate of 0.9% per year.PNG is still one of the most forested nations on the planet, but forest is being lost at a far higher rate than any one thought," . "The rainforests are on the same trajectory – but from several decades back – as other Southeast Asian forest."

Human activity has caused a sharp decline in the number of large mammals on about 80% of Earth’s terrestrial surface!
By examining records dating back to AD1500, US researchers found that at least 35% of mammals over 20kg had seen their range cut by more than half.

Global warming is not a 20th century phenomenon. It has, in fact, occurred in the past more than once, along with periods of extreme cold known as the ice ages. With so much written and reported about global warming, sometimes it's difficult to detect which is fact and which is just part of scientific scare tactics. Global warming has and will always occur naturally. Why it has become such a concern in our lifetime is due to the fact that human activities and practices have contributed significantly to its occurrence and severity. With the advent of industrialization and careless environmental practices, we have caused the increase in the average global temperatures by contributing negatively to the greenhouse effect.

Today, water pollution is rampant and the chief source of water pollution is the human race. We are the very ones that need water most and, yet, we have polluted it, even to the brink of extinction.

so wath do you believe???????? Cool

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:32 pm

To think that we are entirely responsible for the problems of this planet is, quite simply, completely arrogant and self-centered. You cannot believe everything is your fault unless you also believe you are all-powerful.

The Earth has gone through countless drastic changes over its history, long before humans were walking around, and it will continue to do so no matter what we do. It's just a part of its own natural cycle.

That said, we certainly are contributors (even large ones) to the current landscape. There's no practical reason not to reduce our effect on the environment, certainly, but to say things like global warming or habitat loss are entirely humans' fault is so incredibly pompous its difficult for me to even wrap my head around it.

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:41 pm

Save the planet? The planet isn't going anywhere. We are!

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:45 pm

its kind of obvious that we are the destroyers.
no other animals are smart to accomplish what humans can do and they certainly cannot destroy anything bigger than their preys.

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:05 pm

EZ2B0F0 wrote:

Save the planet? The planet isn't going anywhere. We are!

That was freaking awesome.

lol I agree.

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:15 pm

idkfa wrote:

To think that we are entirely responsible for the problems of this planet is, quite simply, completely arrogant and self-centered. You cannot believe everything is your fault unless you also believe you are all-powerful.

Yes it would be! Good job no-one said that!

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The Earth has gone through countless drastic changes over its history, long before humans were walking around, and it will continue to do so no matter what we do. It's just a part of its own natural cycle.

Agreed, there are cyclic event as well as external influences which have effected the planets usual status-quo, for instance astro-objects like meteorite.

idkfa wrote:

That said, we certainly are contributors (even large ones) to the current landscape. There's no practical reason not to reduce our effect on the environment, certainly, but to say things like global warming or habitat loss are entirely humans' fault is so incredibly pompous its difficult for me to even wrap my head around it.

Umm no one said it was entirely Humans fault.. i think you misread the OP..

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robertnegru wrote:

/..the fact that human activities and practices have contributed significantly to its occurrence and severity.

Which is common sense. Theres no way that Human activity hasn't caused a negative impact on the environment, which logically has its damaging consequences. I also agree that Humans are the chief polluters of the water.. and although you could be anal and point at fishes who shit in the sea i do not think they create waste that is not part of the natural ecosystems process's. Try say that about bleach.. or..etc (that list would be humongous)
Rolling Eyes

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:50 pm

Perhaps you should reread. He asked if we are the destroyers of this planet. That's basically saying we're responsible, not just with the problems of our current environment, but that we could actually destroy a planet that has been around for billions of years before us. It's absurdity. It's audacity. It's just plain self-important bullshit. He said:

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it is our fault.

No, it is not. We contribute to some issues that effect our survival. Our interest is (and rightly so) in saving our own asses, not the planet's. Species are becoming extinct? No shit. Species became extinct for countless millions of years before we came along, was that our fault too? The planet warmed and cooled drastically dozens of times before we started polluting, Earth came through it just fine. We should reduce our pollution to save ourselves, but don't butter it up as anything else with your self-righteous arrogance. We're not destroying this planet, we're contributing to our own deaths. Don't forget that we developed right here, ergo, any actions we take here are, by association, a perfectly natural part of the Earth's cycle.

That George Carlin video has it right.

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:47 pm

Thats intellectual dishonesty and you know it.

First, a question is not a statement. The topic title is a question.

Second when you make a quote, do not just take a couple of words and post them with no context, it could mean anything. You do yourself no favours by taking out of context and there fore distort the complete communication.. The items he goes on to elaborate upon, ARE the fault of Humans, I dont see no bloody Gorillas chopping up the forests?

Third , and the real kicker for me, is you insisting that industrial waste, deforestation, mass pollution, meat factories and so on are a natural part of the ecosystem ..

Fourth Humans have caused the extinction of many species, the Dodo, hundreds of breeds of frogs, bats, marsupials, rodents, the sea cow etc. Heres a list of Mammals , and heres a list of Birds . All are modern, many (if not most) are due to Humans and their thoughtless activities

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We should reduce our pollution to save ourselves, but don't butter it up as anything else with your self-righteous arrogance

Whilst you may be unable to look at things beyond whatever narrow perspective you have formed, that does not dismiss the fact that preserving the quality of life for other species and the environment is not just about saving yourself. Although logic would deduce that it is somewhat good for the inhabitants of this planet. Even if you are not, a great deal of the human species is conscientious, or awakening to the fact that Cause and Effect does exist and and compassion extends further than "your own".

You been to Beijing lately? Yeah the air their is real naturally polluted right. I can't work out whether you are as ignorant as your post denotes, or whether you are just playing the troll game.. either way its pure fallacy and wishfull thinking in think that Humans have a negligible impact upon the planets wellbeing

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:39 pm

It's been said "Man is the only animal that murders, or needs to."

Every other species has learned to live symbiotically with its neighbors, except us. Are we a natural part of Earths ecosystem, of course we are. Is it natural some of the things we've chosen to do as part of that ecosystem, certainly not. We have caused the deaths of many species. And, if Man cannot adapt to the changes occuring in the world (both natural and unnatural) he too will become extinct. In which case, the Earth will just keep going on it's merry way and start over.

If we spent more time learning how to co-exist (not going to happen) instead of always playing "King of the hill", we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:21 pm

Heres some satellite imaging of deforestation of the south americas.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7206165.stm

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:27 am

This is a question. You can say your opinion . So this mode we wil see if is ours fault. Ther are other kinds that we or other things can destroy the earth, but about the other things we will speak in other episode. Thanks
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http://www.stopearthdestruction.com/ Bow

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:44 am

we are the destroyers end we will destroyt . Nice to see that even here are persons ho think at ours future ours earth SAVE THE EARTH. good job robertnegru. Wink

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:21 am

i reckon that we've knackered the planet 2 such an extent, that it's only a matter of time before she (mother nature) fights back and kills off a large amount of humans. By this I mean earthquakes, floods, etc etc... We can't keep going down the road we have been and not expect some form of come back..

Also the sun heating up and expanding is not helping matters all that much either....

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:27 am

I believe that ONE forthcoming big event will cause the worlds population and governments to realise that we ALL have to take the responsebility to change our ways.

It will maybe be one big world war that will nearly destroy us all or one major global inviromental disaster, that will cause this moment of clearity!

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:15 am

I would have replied thoroughly to this topic but much of what i would have said already has been so i will simply state that our irresponsible stewardship once again makes me ashamed to be a human.

We have changed the place, much for the worse but England at least has been a controlled environment for the most part since people learned how to farm, its easy to forget that many countrysides are in fact carfully managed and are not the wildernesses they might appoear\ to be.

We wont destroy it (not completely anyway) unless we have a major nuke war,

With any joy we will bring extinction to ourselves and let the supposedly lower lifeforms who dont have the tools of destruction we have and who live mostly in harmony with their surroundings if not each other to it. given the last part of that statement i question which species are in fact the lower life forms.

PS Mere cats have wars, sometimes to the point of conmpletely eliminating a rival pack including the kids so we are not the only species to mkake war, we arejust the best at it and have the tools to cause major consequences for anything near the war zone. (and indeed the warzone itself!)